How Do You Know If Your Prenuptial Agreement Is Valid? Here Are 7 Mistakes to Avoid When Preparing Yours.


prenuptial agreement is an extremely valuable contract intended to protect you should the unthinkable happen and your marriage ends in divorce. Nobody likes to think about divorce, especially when you’re planning a wedding. And while divorce rates have been steadily declining over the past several years, still far too many marriages come to an unpleasant end and spouses go their separate ways.  

If you’re marrying later in life, your chances of staying blissfully wed until death do you part are better now than they were...but with more life under your belt, you’re also probably entering into the relationship with more assets, debt, or both than you did the first time around. You may also have children to whom you want to leave property should divorce occur in your future.  

There are many good reasons to enter into marriage with a prenuptial agreement in place. There are also many mistakes couples must avoid in order to ensure your prenuptial agreement is valid and will protect you down the road. 

What can make a prenuptial agreement valid or invalid?

In the state of California, the Uniform Premarital Agreement Act clearly outlines the conditions that must be met for a prenuptial agreement to be valid, and what could cause it to be deemed invalid in court. 

First, allow me to state what is probably obvious about what must be true for a prenuptial agreement to be valid

  • It has to be an agreement—neither person can be forced, coerced, or tricked into signing it, and you must both sign it voluntarily, with both of your attorneys present. 
  • It has to be prenuptial—prepared and signed well before the actual wedding. 
  • It has to be fair—if a judge deems the terms to be such that one party will suffer great hardship while the other makes out like a bandit, the agreement can be thrown out. 

Can a prenuptial agreement be challenged during a divorce?

If it’s valid, it should NOT be easily challenged. That’s why it’s important you and your partner go through the process together with care and conscientiousness, and with the help of two qualified family law attorneys—one for each of you. (If you would like me to work with you in preparing your prenuptial agreement, keep in mind I can only represent one of you, but I will be happy to give you the names of other trusted attorneys who can represent your soon-to-be spouse. Contact me to discuss.)  

Now, let’s look at seven mistakes you must avoid to ensure your prenuptial agreement is valid. 

Mistake #1 - Asking your attorney friend to “just write something up.”

Prenuptial agreements are very specific types of contracts and California law mandates how they are written and executed. Unless your friend specializes in California family law, chances are very good any general-type contract he prepares for you is NOT going to protect you, and probably won’t even be considered a valid prenuptial agreement by the courts. 

Mistake #2 - Going online and getting a preprinted agreement so you can fill in the blanks.

As convenient (and cheap) as it may seem to try and do it yourself—or to use an online legal service—don't do it. A properly prepared prenuptial agreement requires you to involve qualified attorneys who know the financial details of both you and your soon-to-be spouse. A fill-in-the-blank form, even if there’s an online attorney somewhere supposedly double-checking things, just isn’t sufficient. You may think you’re saving money, but you’ll more than likely find out you paid for something not worth the paper it’s printed on—and when you do, it will be too late to do anything about it. 

Mistake #3 - Having only one attorney represent both of you.

California law is very clear on this point: each party must have his or her own independent counsel to represent them during the prenuptial agreement process. (Should one person absolutely refuse to have separate representation, that person must provide written acknowledgment stating s/he was advised to get a lawyer but willingly chose not to do so. I strongly recommend against taking this route. It not only fails to provide equal representation to both parties, but it opens up the entire agreement to scrutiny and possibly being deemed invalid by a judge in the future.) 

Mistake #4 - Waiving your right to spousal support.

You may not like the idea of collecting alimony, or may think it’s not applicable to your personal situation. But there is plenty of case law in California that shows an entire prenuptial agreement can be thrown out if a judge decides the spousal support portions are unfair. An agreement also can’t require anything in terms of spousal or child support that are outside the law. So no matter how generous or reasonable you are trying to be, don’t agree to something that’s going to cause the whole contract be deemed invalid by a judge in the future. 

Mistake #5 - Rushing through the process and signing at the last minute before the wedding.

You really do need to plan ahead. In California, there is a mandatory 7-day waiting period between when the “final draft” of the agreement is received, and when it can be signed. If you violate this waiting period, the agreement could be deemed invalid. In addition, it’s NOT a good idea to sign it too close to the wedding date. After a divorce, a judge could be persuaded that an agreement signed the night before or the morning of a wedding was signed under pressure or duress, and might therefore decide to invalidate the entire agreement.  

Mistake #6 - Preparing an agreement with incomplete financial information.

Maybe there are certain assets—or debts—you'd rather not tell your soon-to-be spouse about. Maybe you want to hide certain property or accounts because you want to keep them private. Perhaps you’re trying to avoid embarrassment by not disclosing you owe money to certain creditors. Or maybe you figure some small financial issues aren’t worth mentioning. The problem is that executing a prenuptial agreement with incomplete information, i.e., without a fair and full disclosure of your property and financial obligations, could invalidate the whole agreement based on allegations that you intentionally entered the agreement with the intent to defraud your future spouse. 

Mistake #7 - Signing the agreement after a few drinks.

Believe it or not, if one or both of you are highly intoxicated because of alcohol or drugs when you sign, a court may invalidate the agreement based on one or both parties having been unable to consent due to mental incapacitation. The same could be true if one or both parties are mentally incapacitated for other reasons—so getting your partner to sign while they’re medicated after surgery or an accident, for example, isn’t a great idea. 

The Bottom Line

If you work with qualified family law attorneys and avoid these mistakes while preparing your prenuptial agreement, you should feel confident it will protect both you and your partner. If you are ready to begin preparing your prenuptial agreement, get in touch. I love helping couples start marriage off on the right foot, with financial protection and peace of mind. 

Learn more about prenuptial agreements. 

Can a trust or estate plan protect your assets during a divorce?


Planning for the end of life—much like planning for the end of a marriage—is something nobody wants to think about. My experience has shown me that going through the process of creating a prenuptial agreement can actually be helpful in keeping a marriage together—it's almost as if being prepared for an unwanted outcome makes a couple more likely to work hard to avoid it. But when it comes to estate planning, the odds aren’t in our favor. Completing a will, trust, and other essential documents OR avoiding the process entirely will have no effect whatsoever on whether or not we die. We can prevent divorce, but none of us will avoid death!

What’s the difference between a will and a trust?

While estate planning is not my area of specialty, it’s certainly something I encourage my clients to learn about. Both a will and a trust ensure your assets are protected and will go to your heirs upon your death. A will is necessary if you have young children and want to dictate who their guardians will be upon your passing. A trust is necessary if you want your assets to go to your heirs when you die--without going through probate first (probate is lengthy and time-consuming so it’s worth avoiding).

Does everyone have a will or a trust?

If you don’t have a will or a trust and you’re already feeling overwhelmed by the terminology or daunted by the idea of going through the process, you’re not alone. A shockingly small minority of Americans have ANY estate planning documents prepared. According to a recent survey by Caring.com, the number of Americans who have a will (the easiest document to prepare) are low in every age range:

Ages 18-34: 26.8%

Ages 35-54: 22.5

Ages 55+: 44%

Does it surprise you that so many people over 55 don’t have a will? It surprises me! Then again, I know how unpleasant it is for most people to face their own mortality. But that’s not the only reason people don’t have a will.

AARP reports that the primary reasons people give for NOT having their essential documents in place are predictable: when asked, 47% say they just “hadn’t gotten around to it” and 29% say they “don’t have enough assets to leave to anyone” (29%).

I don’t even know where to get started.

When it comes to setting up a trust, I’m sure the numbers are even lower. After all, there are many different types of trusts, and if you don’t have one yet, just getting started can be confusing. Creating a trust is NOT something you can do on your own—you’ll definitely need the help of an estate planning attorney. But if the topic is completely new to you, perhaps you'll find it useful to familiarize yourself with a few basics on your own before you meet with an attorney. A little online research will only take you a few minutes. This Investopedia article about the differences between wills and trusts is a nice primer, as is this one from NerdWallet.

Warning: Keep in mind a lot of the resources available online will NOT give you information that’s specific to California, and websites aren’t always kept up-to-date, so don’t rely on online research for anything other than some basics. You really do need to speak with an experienced and licensed estate planning attorney to make sure you make the right decisions for you. If you would like a referral, contact me and I’ll be happy to refer you to someone in the Santa Rosa area I know you can trust.

So, if I have a trust, do I still need a prenuptial agreement to protect what’s in the trust?

The short answer: probably. Trusts and prenuptial agreements are different documents that serve distinctly different purposes. A trust protects your assets in many ways, but in California the laws can be complicated, and there are many potential areas of conflict between a trust and a pre- or post-marital agreement. In fact, sometimes when a change is made to a trust, it can actually affect the terms of your prenuptial agreement and require that amendments be made.

Unfortunately, this can create a problem your estate planning attorney may not even realize exists!

But I thought a trust would protect me from practically anything and everything, right?

Occasionally I’ll meet a client who has the idea that “my trust protects everything that’s mine and keeps it from becoming available to my spouse, no matter what.” They’re always shocked when I tell them that this is an overly simplistic idea of how much a trust protects you, and this idea can get them into a messy situation down the road.

Let me share with you a pretty common scenario that helps illustrate why you need the expertise of a family law attorney even if you have a great estate planning attorney when both a trust and a prenuptial agreement are involved.

The Story of Tony and Teresa and the Trust (names and some details have been changed)

Meet Tony and Teresa. Both Tony and Teresa were married when they were younger, and now, both having lost their spouses, they find themselves blessed to find love again with each other.

Decades earlier, Tony had worked with an estate planning attorney to establish a trust which protected several of his assets, including his primary residence, a rental property, and several investments. When his wife died, the parameters of the trust were unaffected. Now approaching retirement age, Tony learns he’ll be receiving a $50,000 golden parachute package from his company. Tony is obviously excited about this windfall, and he wants to place it into his trust. From his perspective, this is his money. After all, it’s payoff for many years of hard work in his industry and loyalty to his employer.

When he meets with his estate planning attorney to discuss amending the trust to include this big bonus, he brings along his beautiful bride of just under a year. Amending his trust will require an extra step because Tony is now a married man. But it’s no problem, the attorney assures him: they have a handy-dandy contract ready for situations just like this.

By signing this contract, the attorney explains, Teresa acknowledges that there are no conflicts of interest and she waives all rights to that money—both during the marriage and in the unfortunate event the marriage dissolves. It’s a short contract, simple and straightforward. Teresa and Tony sign it, both feeling assured they’ve done everything right. They have followed the advice of an attorney, after all.

By the way, in some estate planning firms, this is very common practice--to handle a very complicated process with an overly simplified solution that actually puts everyone at risk.

Now let’s look at a few ways this story might unfold....

Scenario 1 – Tony and Teresa have a happy marriage, and always have plenty of money in their joint account. They never experience any significant financial troubles, and they remain together until one of them passes away. The trust is never challenged, and the handy-dandy contract they signed years ago turned out to be a formality that stayed neatly filed away, never to be read or referenced again.

Scenario 2 – Tony and Teresa hit some bumps in the road and decide to part ways and get a divorce. They’re pretty upset with each other, and there are arguments about how to divide their assets. Tony assumes that everything in his trust is protected and that Teresa has no claim to it. Imagine his surprise when Teresa demands half of that $50,000 retirement bonus he got! Impossible, he thinks...we signed a contract.

Unfortunately for Tony, his estate planning attorney didn’t understand California community property laws well enough to make sure Tony had the protection he wanted. There are really two issues here:

  1. The $50,000 bonus was received from an employer and is therefore considered income earned during the marriage, and by California law, is community property.
  1. That handy-dandy contract wherein Teresa waived her rights to that $50,000 is useless. Why? Because contracts like that signed by spouses during a marriage have to follow the rules for California marital agreements. The attorney had the right idea, but he didn’t have the knowledge he needed to make sure they did things right.

See how messy things can get? Let’s take it a step further, just for further illustration.

Remember those real estate properties that were in Tony’s trust when he and Teresa got married? Surely those are his and protected from Teresa’s greedy fingers, right? Not so fast. For many years, the couple used joint funds to pay the mortgage on the house—that they lived in together. And at one point, they pooled money from their separate investments to make renovations to the rental property. Teresa thinks she now has some claim to the house—she lived in it and contributed to the mortgage. And it doesn’t seem fair to her that Tony will continue to collect rental income on the other property when he’s pulling in a lot more than he did before she helped pay for the renovations and upgrades!

So, who’s right? Does Tony get to walk away with the two properties? Does Teresa have some claim to them?

As soon as finances comingle, things get messy, and this is a perfect example of a VERY messy situation! Tony won’t like it, but Teresa is going to get some of the value of the house—the fact that it’s in a trust has nothing to do with the fact that joint finances paid the mortgage. While Tony could potentially walk away with the rental property, he may have to repay Teresa for her investment in upgrading it—not to mention the resulting increased value might also have to be shared with Teresa. If Tony doesn’t have the funds to pay Teresa what she’s owed, then one or both of his properties could be at risk. The trust doesn’t protect them.

The Bottom Line

Every situation is different and there are an infinite number of variables that can affect your outcomes. As the scenario above shows, things can get messy pretty quickly. Overall, there are three very important lessons I hope you’ll take away from this:

  1. Trusts protect assets from the government and from probate so you can pass them on to your children and heirs after you’re gone, but trusts don’t necessarily protect your assets from a spouse if a marriage dissolves.
  1. Agreements made between you during marriage need to comply with California law, and they often require independent legal counsel to be valid. Otherwise, you open yourself up to unanticipated loss during a divorce.
  1. Always seek the professional advice of attorneys who specialize in their fields—you may need to hire both an estate planning attorney AND a family law attorney to protect your interests and assets.

California law is complicated and changing constantly, and when it comes to specialty areas like estate planning and prenuptial agreements, it’s important to be armed with knowledge and the support of experienced attorneys who will help you navigate the terrain and avoid pitfalls. Please reach out if I can help you with a prenuptial agreement or give you a referral to a trusted estate planning attorney.

8 Lessons We Can Learn From the “Gray Divorce” of Bill and Melinda Gates

When one of the world’s wealthiest couples announces their divorce after decades of marriage, the world takes notice. Perhaps it’s easy to dismiss the wave of stories about the divorce of Bill and Melinda Gates as just so much celebrity fluff. After all, what do we mere mortals have in common with people worth $130 billion, right? Perhaps more than you think. 


"Melinda Gates speaking at the opening of the London Summit on Family Planning" by DFID - UK Department for International Development is licensed under CC BY-SA 2.0


When I first heard about their split, I was saddened, as I always am when I hear about the end of a marriage. I have compassion for Bill and Melinda, and I worry about the impact the split will have on their children, as I expressed in this earlier blog post. I wish the Gateses nothing but the best and hope the process goes smoothly for them and for their family. 


But as I’ve continued to think about it, I realize there are many reasons to pay attention to their story. There are lessons to learn and warnings to heed. As an attorney, I cringe a bit hearing some of the details of their situation and I find myself anticipating pitfalls they may encounter as they go through the process. They’ve asked for privacy, and I’m sure they’ll keep many aspects of their situation confidential. Still, even with the little we know, this high-profile case provides an opportunity to consider how all of us—whether marriage hopefuls, newlyweds, or seasoned spouses—can evaluate our own situations and ensure we have planned and prepared for both the best and the worst outcomes. 


While US Divorce Rates Trending Down, “Gray Divorce” is On the Rise 


None of us wants to be a statistic. Unfortunately, Bill and Melinda Gates are part of a growing trend in the United States called “gray divorce.” According to Pew Research, divorce in the US is generally on the decline—except for married people over the age of 50. Since 1990, the over-50 divorce rate has more than doubled, and for the over-65 crowd it has more than tripled. As of this writing, Bill and Melinda are 65 and 56 respectively, so they fall neatly inside the group most at risk for so-called gray divorce


Why is this happening? Why are couples splitting up after decades of marriage? There’s no one reason and no simple answer. The US Census reports the current life expectancy for women is 82 years, for men it’s slightly lower at 77 years--and for both genders, we’re living longer. It’s easy to imagine an unhappily married person might do the math and decide they have years or even decades of life ahead of them... and they don’t want to spend it with a spouse they no longer love. Perhaps, too, the fact that women have more financial opportunities and empowerment than their mothers and grandmothers did means they’re less likely to feel trapped in a marriage and stay purely for financial security. There are many other contributing factors to the increase in gray divorce trends too, of course, and if you want to dig more deeply into the topic, The Gray Divorce Revolution is a study worth reading.  


Whatever the reasons (and there are many), the numbers are clear: gray divorce is on the rise. Rather than feel disheartened by the trend, we would be wise to look for the warnings and then take deliberate steps to avoid becoming part of it.  


What Can We Learn from the Divorce of Bill and Melinda Gates? More Than You Think! 


The media can be unkind, but as caring human beings, the rest of us find no joy or entertainment in the misfortunes of others—not even when the “others” are among the wealthiest people on the planet. What we can do, however, is try to learn from them. Consider these eight lessons and ask yourself how you might apply them to your life and marriage. 


Lesson #1: No Matter How Many Good Days You Have Behind You, Good Days Ahead Aren’t Guaranteed 


One lesson to be learned from Bill and Melinda and the increasing number of late-in-life divorces is that no matter how long you’ve been married, there’s no guarantee you’ll stay married. You must work constantly to keep communication open and productive, to strive for mutual love and support, to work toward improvement of the self and the marriage, and to check in with one another often to learn how to best foster your partner’s happiness. 


Lesson #2: Money Doesn’t Buy Happiness


Watching celebrity splits always reminds me that the well-known adage is true: money can’t buy happiness! If it could, certainly Bill and Melinda would be among the happiest people on earth, and their marriage would have been indestructible. Financial success is no indicator of marital success and wealth is no buffer against hardships or mistakes. At a recent event in Sun Valley packed with billionaires (many of whom we can guess are probably divorced themselves!), Bill openly stated that the divorce was “his fault” and that he was responsible for “messing up” (by many accounts, it was not a one-time dalliance to which he was referring). For the average person facing occasional or prolonged financial difficulties, it might be hard to understand why a couple who has it all can’t seem to keep it all together. The fact of the matter is that whether rich, poor, or anywhere in between, all married people are just human and they all face the same types of human challenges—both throughout a marriage and during a divorce. For those going through a gray divorce, money can be a particularly contentious subject as both parties realize their years of earning potential are fewer now than when they married, and the wealth they acquired over the past several years and decades feels suddenly in jeopardy. 


Lesson #3: Divorce Is Tough on the Kids, Even When the Kids Are All Grown Up 


According to people close to the couple, Bill and Melinda had been living separate lives for years and that they delayed divorce proceedings at least in part because they didn’t want to split up until after their youngest child had graduated from high school. Many couples make the decision to “stay together for the kids.” One thing I always try to remind parents is that no matter how old your kids are when you get divorced, your split will take a mental and emotional toll on them. They will have questions, concerns, and pain, and they will need time and support to heal—even if they are technically adults when their parents’ marriage ends. The idea that “they’re adults so they’ll be fine” is completely untrue. If you’re going through a gray divorce yourself, be mindful of the many negative ways your adult children may be affected, and do your best to help them through the healing process. 


Lesson #4: Avoid Litigation and Use a Mediator or Collaborative Attorney Instead 


One reason parents may put off what they believe is an inevitable divorce is to spare their young children the trauma of having to go to court. If that’s why Bill and Melinda waited, and it wasn't because they were actively working to fix their marriage and resolve their differences, I hope they were fully aware of the benefits of using mediation or collaborative services. With both of these non-litigation approaches to divorce, control remains with the couple and their attorneys instead of being handed over to a judge. Children’s concerns and preferences are weighed more seriously. And with a collaborative divorce, there is a child specialist whose role is specifically to ensure the children’s welfare and best interest are treated as paramount


I’m guessing the cost of divorce attorneys wasn’t a major consideration for the Gateses, but for those of us who aren’t independently wealthy, cost is always a concern—and both mediation and collaborative services are often less expensive than going through litigation. Even if you can “afford” to hire the best attorney to protect your personal financial interests, if you have children of any age, please consider pursuing mediation or collaborative services. In my experience, outcomes are far more positive, enforceable, and healthier for all members of the family if you can avoid litigation. 


Lesson #5: A Prenuptial Agreement Helps Protect Everyone in the Family


I was certainly surprised (as I’m sure you were) to learn that the Gateses didn’t enter into their 1994 marriage with a prenuptial agreement. After all, Bill had become a billionaire in 1987 and had been included on the Forbes list of the world’s wealthiest people every year since. Melinda, on the other hand, was one of his employees at Microsoft. In 1994 when they married, Bill was the richest man in the United States with a net worth of $9.35 billion, and Melinda was still his employee. The financial imbalance was dramatic, and the potential for problems was obvious. We can only assume that when they married, they believed it would last forever, just as everyone does.  


The radical financial disparity between Bill and Melinda makes their situation highly unusual, but financial imbalance exists to some degree at the outset of most marriages. Even if you just know you’ll stay together forever, going through the process of putting together a prenuptial agreement is a valuable exercise. It helps you consider every aspect of your financial, familial, and professional lives and prompts conversations that are very enlightening. I would recommend that every couple start their marriage with a prenuptial agreement; but even if you never put one in writing, you’ll be better off for having had some tough discussions upfront. I can’t help but wonder if the Gateses missed an opportunity that might have made a difference in keeping their marriage and their family together. 


Lesson #6: Even If You Don’t Have a Prenuptial Agreement, It’s Never Too Late for a Post-Marital Agreement 


When Melinda quit her job at Microsoft to focus on family in 1996, it was a perfect opportunity for the couple to consider putting together a post-nuptial marital agreement. They were having their first child, and Microsoft was booming. Household roles were being defined and solidified. External pressures were growing, as were both financial opportunities and risks. Again, I find myself wondering if the couple missed an opportunity to discuss how things were changing and how they might protect themselves and their children in the event of divorce. There’s little doubt they both considered divorce to be very unlikely, and surely both were confident they’d have the financial means to take care of their children. Unfortunately, we know now that only the latter would prove true, but that their marriage would end, and now it has.  


In terms of finances, their lives are now several magnitudes more complex than when they welcomed their first child. Unless they have been very disciplined throughout the years about creating specific contracts and documents about their individual liabilities and responsibilities, they are unquestionably facing a lot of messy and frustrating work ahead. When they formed The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation in 2000, they missed another opportunity to create a post-nuptial marital agreement. 


Lesson #7: Update and Amend Your Agreement When Things Change


It’s been reported by the Associated Press that both Bill and Melinda will continue to work together as co-founders of The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, one of the world’s largest charitable foundations with an endowment of $65 billion ($15 billion of which was recently added by the couple as a gesture of their shared commitment to the foundation). What’s of particular interest is the agreement they’ve made--if they can’t continue to work together as co-chairs, the solution has already been determined: Melinda will resign as co-chair and trustee, Bill will effectively buy her out, and Melinda will “receive resources from him to do her own philanthropic work.” 


Again, I find myself wondering if this is the deal the couple would have made if they had created a marital agreement years ago when their marriage was on solid ground. It’s difficult for most of us to feel any empathy for a couple who is negotiating how many billions will go to each person and his or her respective charitable foundation. But might Melinda remain in the situation even if it becomes unbearable so as not to lose her ability to contribute to the organization both she and Bill refer to as their “fourth child”? She’ll never have to worry about surviving as a woman from an earlier time may have, but the relative losses would undoubtedly be painful for her if she and her former husband cannot both agree they can work together. A marital agreement might have provided her with a higher level of protection in this regard than what she has with the current agreement.  


Lesson #8: Working Hard for the Best Should Include Preparing for the Worst  


The Gateses are obviously handling their divorce very privately, as is their right, and as is probably wise. But even with limited knowledge of their circumstances and agreements, we can extract valuable lessons. During the course of a marriage, you may grow your family, acquire assets, incur debt, increase your net worth, create businesses or non-profits, buy property, make investments, and become more and more financially entangled. The time to document agreements about what you will do if the marriage ends is NOT after you’ve decided to call it quits...or even when you fear things may be unraveling. The time to discuss and decide important things is when you both are in a loving, supportive, compromising, and giving frame of mind. I can’t tell you what a difference it will make for you and your children if you can avoid “duking it out” through anger, resentment, fear, and hurt feelings.  


Remember These Lessons


Enter your marriage with a prenuptial agreement, or create a post-nuptial marital agreement if you’re already married, and update it as married. Commit to using a mediator or collaborative attorney if the unthinkable happens and your marriage comes to an end. Protect your children from pain as much as possible because even when they’re all grown up, they’re always your “babies”). And tend to your marriage and your partner with constant and consistent care.  


One last thought: if you are considering or facing a gray divorce and there is no way to salvage your marriage, take heart. Your life isn’t over, and your chance for happiness is not gone. You still have tremendous opportunities for joy ahead of you. If I can help you to get through this painful event so you can begin the next phase of your life, I would be honored to do so. Please contact me for a completely confidential conversation. 

How Bill and Melinda Gates Can Make Their Divorce Easier On Their Children


'William Henry Gates III and Melinda Gates' as painted in 2010 by Jon R. Friedman, born 1947. Oil on canvas.

"Bill and Melinda Gates - NPG Washington DC" by FaceMePLS is licensed under CC BY 2.0

It was sad for me to hear the news of Melinda and Bill Gates deciding to separate after 27 years of marriage. I have seen the increase myself of what is being called the "Gray Divorce" or in the Gateses' situation, perhaps the "Silver Divorce." Confusing sometimes, isn't it? They seemed to have it together.

Unlike many divorcing couples, the Gates probably were not fighting over who forgot to log in the ATM withdrawal without telling the other. I mean with a net worth of roughly $130 billion, it doesn't appear there were money woes. While there have been rumors of infidelity, their public outcry was for us to honor their "space and privacy" at this time. I really hope we do--for them, and especially for the sake of their children. There's likely to be a lot of grieving going on, not just with them, but with their entire family.

It is mystifying watching couples separate when they seem to have a really great marriage. After all, Bill and Melinda regularly travelled and laughed together, and shared mutual interests. They taught their children about world hunger, health risks, and poverty and then formed a successful charitable organization to put actions to their words and caring motives.

After viewing a few snapshots of the Gateses' children on vacations and meetings with world leaders with their parents over the years, I couldn't help but want to reach out and ask them about their feelings about all of this.

Divorce Affects Children at Every Age

Their oldest, Jennifer, age 25, is in medical school, and seems to be close to getting married herself. I wonder if she worries about getting married or how best to make it a lasting commitment. Or maybe she wonders about how life will be different for her younger brother Rory, who's 21. Perhaps she is more concerned about how her younger sister Phoebe is handling this shocking news, since she is barely 18 and has just endured a COVID high school experience.

One thing is for sure: these young adults are greatly affected by their parents’ decision to divorce and likely have no power to change it. Research has shown that no matter the age of children when their parents decide to divorce, they all wish their parents would have talked more with them about it and allowed their voice to be considered, or at least heard and acknowledged.

Collaborative Divorce Keeps Families Out of Court and Supports Privacy

I hope Bill and Melinda decide to use a confidential no-court option such as a collaborative divorce process, as it would honor their need for privacy while still equitably resolving their differences with skilled legal representation. They can have a team of trained professionals to address the financial, legal, and emotional aspects of their decision, and even allow their children to have a voice to bring understanding to their needs, even as adults.

Children Have a Stronger Voice with a Collaborative Divorce or Mediation

What type of divorce process allows adult children to have a voice? Certainly not the traditional litigation model. While there are mixed views about having minor children of divorce speak to a judge about their preferences, more courts have been willing listen to their input and give some weight to their opinion if the child I considered to be a "well-reasoned minor."  (This is obviously somewhat of a vague term, but generally it means the court recognizes the young person as having a good head on their shoulders.) No courts interview adult children because when there are no minors involved, there is no custody dispute--the kids are no longer kids.

In California, even a minor child's preference or choice regarding living arrangement does not control the judge's decision, so outcomes vary. It is more common for children's views to be seriously considered in voluntary "out of court" processes such as mediation or collaborative law where couples can mutually agree to involve a trained mental health professional called a "child specialist." This specialist can interview not only the children, but also other adults involved in the lives of the children such as therapists, teachers, sports coaches, and tutors.

Even Adult Children Need Time to Heal

Perhaps Bill and Melinda waited until Phoebe turned 18 for a reason. Maybe they saw the benefit of a divorce with no custody battle, and figured Phoebe would be off to college and largely unaffected by their split. But the pain still runs deep for children whose parents divorce, even when the child is technically an adult. It is important to address divorce as a painful disruption to the entire family dynamic, and each member of the family—regardless of age—will need to go through a personal healing process.

No Prenuptial Agreement?

As a side note, I was a bit surprised by the news reports that they had not entered into a prenuptial agreement. However, since neither Bill nor Melinda had any children before they married, perhaps they felt they didn't need documented protection—at the time of the wedding, there was no fear that their biological children would not receive an inheritance. Even so, the absence of a prenuptial agreement opens them up to more stressful conflicts over finances and assets, but I’m hopeful that will not be the case for them.

Good Communication and Respect Will Help Them and Their Children

Overall, I wish the Gates family only the best.  My hope is that as parents they model good communication and respect for one another throughout this divorce process, and continue to teach Jennifer, Rory, and Phoebe about how to use their talents, skills, education, and finances to serve others. May they continue working together, as a family, so that the needs of those experiencing disease and poverty in our world will be met by their joint efforts.

Despite the bumps in the road ahead that will inevitably come as the result of a marriage coming to an end, may they all find the right path for their future.

There are many lessons to learn from the story of this high-profile divorce. Read my follow-up post, 8 Lessons We Can Learn From the “Gray Divorce” of Bill and Melinda Gates

Learn more about out-of-court options for divorce including collaborative practice and mediation services.

How to Know if You are Hiring a “Real” Collaborative Attorney?

These are the questions to ask the attorney you are interviewing:

1.   “What percentage of your practice involves Collaborative Divorce cases?

It is important to hire an attorney who is very skilled in collaborative process conflict resolution, and has a number of ongoing collaborative clients.   Merely having a web site reference that he or she practices “collaborative law” is not enough.    I’ve seen this in other local family law web sites, and yet that particular family law attorney is almost always in court, and is not a member of a collaborative practice group.  Even if they were previously trained, they may or may not be taking formal Collaborative cases any more.

2.     “How often do you participate in Collaborative Training?”

All collaborative divorce attorneys require specific training in the negotiation skills for this process.   Find out if that attorney is a member of the International Academy of Collaborative Professional (IACP) group, or CPCal, the state organization that provides annual trainings for attorneys, coaches, and neutral financial specialists.

All collaborative attorneys have also undergone significant mediation training and are trained mediators.  Not all mediators can be collaborative counsel. Special collaborative training is required.   While the process is amicable, the ultimate result still depends on the legal, emotional and financial implications of each desired outcome.  Your collaborative attorney is there to help you consider all possible options before reaching agreement.

3.   “Do you Have Satisfied Clients who have Used the Collaborative Process?

The answer should be ‘Yes!”    While giving out names of specific clients is not permitted,  client testimonials posted via social media sites can be a good way to see if that attorney has accomplished successful results in the past.

4.    “What are the Benefits and Risks of Using the Collaborative Divorce process?”

Most attorneys, coaches and financial divorce professionals will correctly identify that the primary benefit of this process is having control over the decisions being made over their family, finances, and division of property.  Another benefit is control over the scheduling, thus not being bound to the court’s availability and backlog of court calendars.

There is the risk of not getting everything you want  and possibly having to resort to litigation later where you turn over decision-making to a judge (basically a stranger to your family and situation.)  In my experience, a well-functioning Collaborative Team digs deeper into helping the couple create acceptable compromises and the risk of later litigation is substantially reduced.

(This is Part 1.  More questions to be answered in Part 2.)

Please call me or email me for a consultation.  Or check out our collaborative group web site:  CollaborativeDivorceMarinSonoma.org for more information. )

I’m in the middle of a divorce – How can I find the right Realtor?


 

Divorce is a painful chapter if you have to sell your cherished home, even if you are using mediation or a collaborative process. Find a Realtor who understands this process and has compassion to help you have peace of mind. Here are three major considerations:

1) Experience/Knowledge is Key:

* Does the person have his/her pulse on current Market Conditions?

What is happening now after the Sonoma County Wildfires of October 2017? With so much heartache in our community, especially Santa Rosa’s Fountaingrove and Coffey Park area, what will be like for you if you are looking for a new home? What if you have lost your home and you decide to sell your cleared lot instead of rebuilding? What is an appropriate listing price for your home that survived the fire but is near the devastated area? Will my agent schedule a open house, or home tour with other agents? How will all the paperwork be handled? These are questions to ask.

It is a distinctive PLUS when a Real Estate Agent also has experience in the mortgage industry because you may want information about how to buy out your spouse’s community property interest and keep your home.

* Questions to address: What is our equity interest? Do I have a timely payment history? Will my income be sufficient to take over the loan or refinance the current mortgages? Are their any other liens against the property and how can I resolve them? What is my work and credit history and how do they effect my ability to accomplish a buy-out?

2) Trust is Important.

* Does the Realtor focus on his/her own Commission… or on a Commitment to you?

Take time to meet with your prospective Realtor before deciding to list with him or her. You need a Realtor who cares about your bottom line needs and goals more than his/her own. Ask a lot of questions, and be cautious about the “know-it-all” types. No one Realtor KNOWS all the answers, and if you meet with one who admits they do not, but they are willing to help you find expert advice and resources on that issue, that is a very good sign! Trust is earned.

* Questions to ask:
How long have they been in the business? Do you primarily work Sonoma County? Will you be honest with me during negotiations, such as whether the roof damage credit is reasonable or not? How quickly do you return calls?

If you are buying a replacement home after your divorce, choose a Realtor who is willing to review local Sonoma County school districts and neighborhood’s public records where the home is located. Whether you are looking in Santa Rosa, Rohnert Park, Sonoma, Sebastopol, or even Windsor, each location has its own benefits and drawbacks when finding a new home, especially if you have children and their schools and after-school care locations are effected.

2) Trust is Important.

* Does the Realtor focus on his/her own Commission… or on a Commitment to you?

Take time to meet with your prospective Realtor before deciding to list with him or her. You need a Realtor who cares about your bottom line needs and goals more than his/her own. Ask a lot of questions, and be cautious about the “know-it-all” types. No one Realtor KNOWS all the answers, and if you meet with one who admits they do not, but they are willing to help you find expert advice and resources on that issue, that is a very good sign! Trust is earned.

* Questions to ask:
How long have they been in the business? Do you primarily work Sonoma County? Will you be honest with me during negotiations, such as whether the roof damage credit is reasonable or not? How quickly do you return calls?

If you are buying a replacement home after your divorce, choose a Realtor who is willing to review local Sonoma County school districts and neighborhood’s public records where the home is located. Whether you are looking in Santa Rosa, Rohnert Park, Sonoma, Sebastopol, or even Windsor, each location has its own benefits and drawbacks when finding a new home, especially if you have children and their schools and after-school care locations are effected.

3) Cooperative, Not Cut-Throat!

* Is your Realtor Willing to Go the Extra Mile for You?

If you are a seller, you will want a Realtor to give you advice about how best to prepare your home to impress a prospective buyer. Some Realtors hire professional staging companies to give the best impression to receive the best price. Many agents I know have done extra to extended extra care. One helped advertise and attended her seller’s garage sale, yet another helped coordinate the last-minute moving of a refrigerator! Another guy fixed a front lawn sprinkler system for an elderly lady. Certainly these are not the Realtor’s job, but occasionally when we see human kindness in action, that is amazing and noteworthy.

Good Realtors usually have a list of trusted and qualified professionals such as painters, contractors, cleaning services, plumbers, electricians, pool service companies, and landscaping experts. You can trust the ones who have shown up and got the job done before, as their reputation is at stake!

I have worked with a number of different professional Realtors and can give you a referral any time. You will get through this, and you certainly don’t want to do it alone! For more information contact me today.

 

How Can I Be Happy and Secure if My Spouse Wants a Divorce?


You were blind-sided, you had no clue, and you don’t understand how this could have happened to you. Your wife just told you she hasn’t loved you for years and she wants a divorce. She wanted counseling years ago, but you didn’t want some shrink telling you how to run your life. How could she? She knows you’re a good provider, working overtime to keep the bills paid, the house repaired, and hey, you even took the whole family to DisneyWorld last year. What’s not to love? You think some roses may change her mind, but she already moved out with the kids.

Maybe instead you are a devoted wife who noticed your husband’s cell phone bill had a repeated unfamiliar number, logged while he was working late. You swallow hard as you call the number, hoping you are overreacting. A woman’s voice answers. Your husband’s explanation confirms your worst fear: “She’s my high school sweetheart that I never stopped loving — she’s my true soul mate.” He found her on Facebook, or was it his Match.com profile? Your heart thuds, you go numb inside, unable to think straight for months.

While these stories are changed to protect the innocent (or the guilty) they reveal incidents that change our lives, and threaten our security and happiness. Your situation might involve less trauma because your children are grown and there is a mutual decision to separate. You may still be asking “Where do I go from here?” As a family law attorney in Santa Rosa for over 25 years, my goal is to help separating or divorcing couples navigate through painful situations such as the above. My goal is to make a positive difference for clients and their children who are surrounded by swirling emotional tides beneath their ocean of legal issues. The undertow of the breakup tries to snatch away their trust, and waves of doubt crash over their rock of security, so they need a safe harbor to repair their human vessel and make it seaworthy again.

If you are ready to start rowing your boat ashore toward a protected cove, I’m ready to grab an oar to help. Simply call to schedule an appointment and we will discuss how best to secure your future. I’ll also give you a copy of our newly released book, while supplies last! “Happy and Secure in Sonoma County”

5 Principles: Encouragement


Divorce is not a simple process and you are probably facing uncertainty.

Here are some common questions that divorcing clients often ask me:

  • Will a judge make all the decisions or can my spouse and I agree on our own?
  • How can we get through this separation or divorce without financial and emotional ruin?
  • How can we best protect our children in this difficult time?

To help answer these questions, allow me to share five important principles and an easy way to remember them.

            1)  Encouragement

            2)  Direction

            3)  Responsibility

            4)  Commitment

            5)  Strength

Remembering these five principles is as simple as referencing the five fingers on your hand.  Let’s start with your thumb.

  1. Encouragement – Thumb:

First, give yourself a “thumbs up” as a reminder that you can get through this and not give up.  If you were my client I would encourage you to surround yourself with positive emotional support.  Realistically, I usually compare the divorce process with a roller coaster — the “Big D Dipper” with unexpected velocity, extreme highs and lows, and plenty of screaming!

You need reassurance from your friends and family to avoid depression or self-medicating behaviors.  “Encourage one another and build each other up” is a Biblical reference I use as a reminder.  If you don’t have anyone who fits this role, join a divorce support group. You also may need a trained therapist with divorce expertise.  Think of him or her as your emotional “safety harness” to keep you from revenge or subversive tactics (like slashing tires or sending that nasty text you will later regret)!  You need to learn how to “keep your hands and arms inside” until this shaky ride comes to a complete stop.

Do you love roller coasters so much that you rush to get back in line for another thrill variation?  Maybe your response is the same as some of my clients: “Are you kidding? I’m never getting married again!”  I tell them that while I appreciate their referrals, I really don’t hope for their “repeat business” (unless they need a prenuptial agreement, of course)!  I encourage them to get more information before choosing to repeat their negative experience.

A Look at Conflict — To Camp or Not to Camp, is that Really the Question?

A Look at Conflict — To Camp or Not to Camp, is that Really the Question?

by Jeanne M. Browne, Collaborative Attorney & Mediator

If we want to resolve our conflicts, then we have to look deeper at the underlying “need” for our desired result.

For example, I tell my husband that I want to schedule a camping trip. It’s a favorite pasttime from my childhood and we have great memories of camping together when our kids were small. I love taking in the nature hikes along the river that give me the sense of relaxation. That’s probably my favorite part, that I desire that type of relaxation. Even though setting up camp and sleeping outdoors may not be as kind to my body as times in the past, it’s still fun to do with my family.

If my hubby is not ready for the entire “project” that camping involves, he could start in on the reasons that my idea is a bad one, such as pointing out the hassle of packing, getting reservations, and the high cost of gas for our truck. I’m now thinking, “Wow, my great idea has just been shot in the shoulder.” This leads to the thought of “I’m injured, and he doesn’t care.” Then I say to myself, “This is important to me, why can’t he understand that?”

He’s learned some conflict resolution skills over the years. He started out by listening to my ideas about places I might want to camp, and when would be a good time to schedule it. He then responds instead with “Let’s think about when we can do that. We do have some wonderful camping memories together. What do you like best about it?”

When I mention the hiking part, he could “remember along with me” about how much we enjoy doing that together. Then he might suggest a day hike next weekend in the area where we live. I recognize my “relaxation need” for the outdoors and hiking met by that activity, and may reconsider my need to do the entire “camping” experience right now. I might even respond with “Wow, that sounds great, let’s make a date to do that!” If we are smart, we will write it in on the calendar.

Rather than starting an argument about the pros and cons of camping, we directed our conversation instead toward “What’s special about that for you?” and looked for ways that we had mutual thoughts or needs about the subject.

Try this the next time you face a conflict:

1) Really listen to what the person is saying.
2) Confirm that you heard what they said until they say, “Yes, that’s what I’m trying to say.”
3) Then say, “This sounds really important to you, tell me more about that.”
4) Listen again, and confirm that you heard what that person is needing.

Let me know how that works for you. It has worked for me!

Got to go now, as I’m heading out for a hike with my husband. Ahhh….time to relax!

Forgiveness vs. Trust

Forgiveness vs. Trust with Jeanne Browne

Sonoma County Divorce Lawyer specializing in collaborative mediation.

My last two blog entries addressed “HOW can I forgive my ex?” “And WHY should I forgive my ex? Now we address, “Do I have to trust him/her again?”

What if my ex continues to yell at me in front of the children?

Example: Let’s say you are exchanging the children at Starbucks and your ex is mad you are late, so while grabbing your shoulders he/she screams in your face and pushes you against your car door. This is not healthy behavior! IT IS IMPORTANT to remember that “trusting” him/her again is not the same as forgiveness. Trust must be earned.

A person must show through action that he/she is trustworthy before you trust again.
How do you set appropriate limits to prevent future harm?

Here’s a strategy:

State Your Expectations/Limits. Example: “Les, I am noticing that you are starting to raise your voice in front of the kids, and that is unacceptable to me. I will only listen to your opinion if you speak in a calm voice, without accusations.” “If you do not lower your voice, and agree to have this conversation away from our children, I will leave right now.”

Then you MUST follow through!

ONCE YOU DO, you send a clear message that you are going to do things differently in the future and your word can be trusted.

Only when your clear stated expectations are routinely followed by your ex, should you be willing to trust having ANY conversation in front of the children. If you honor this boundary and walk away, or not get out of the car to allow a conversation to occur at a custody exchange, then eventually your ex will figure out that you are not going to engage. (A friend’s strategy was to sip her iced mocha and keep her teeth clenched on her straw to resist her temptation to utter even one syllable!)

Do whatever you can to move forward with good boundaries for yourself and your children. Building trust again is possible if your limits are honored. If they are not, then protect yourself.

* Ask: Has this person proven himself/herself trustworthy? This guides wise decision-making.